Recycling... 6 Months Ago...

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My how time flies...

I wrote this article 6 months ago, and I thought I would share it again. Not sure why, but I will just go with it. :)

This is an example of the emails that are being spread by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All misspellings, punctuation errors and other problems are the original authors fault... not mine. Really. I know I am a horrible speller, but this isn't me. Promise. My comments, as always, will be interjected when I feel like it.

I don't know if you're aware of whats going on politically here in California right now, but for the first time in my life I've seen the Church take a stand on a political issue to the extent that we've had Ward gatherings for the past three weeks to physically canvas neighborhoods and make phone calls to registered voters to educate them about the language and affects of Proposition 8.

Wow, that was one long sentence. I thought Brigham Young was good at that, but honey, you put him to shame.

Now, of course we know what is going on politically in the state of California. Duh. It's all over the news, and everyone is talking about it... especially if you are in the church. Your church neighbors are telling you how to vote, your bishop is telling you how to vote... oh, and your email is just another piece of evidence that the church is telling me how to vote. You don't see it that way? Shocking.
I guess I was kind of oblivious to the wider reaching affects that this could have on all church members but found this informative e-mail interesting and decided to forward it to you.

I can think of half a million other things that you are oblivious to, but we won't go there for now. Maybe later. Oh, and I will be the judge on how "informative and interesting" the email is, because I doubt your judgment.
In a recent Sacrament meeting in California, the focus was on amendment 8. (The gay marriage issue.) one of the speakers who was an LDS judge in the area, had statistics that were "mind blowing."
Can I ask you a quick question Molly Mormon? Why is it that the focus was on limiting the rights of a group of people and not on loving thy neighbor or preaching the gospel? Why not talk about Jesus and his wonderful teachings? Why not share love instead of hate? Just sayin'.

I also love how you used parenthesis around the words "The gay marriage issue" as if you were whispering the words so quietly as to not let your kids hear the word "gay." Give me a break.

For example, in Boston, PA, (where gay marriage is no le gal,) the Catholic charities have closed their doors because the state has required them to allow adoptions to same sex couples, and they refused. They are a large and worthwhile charity with great power in the state and they were overruled.

Sweetie... sweetie...

All charities should be equal to everyone, yes? I mean, lets pretend for a minute that everyone in the world thought the Mormon church was wrong, and those practicing it were immoral. Just for fun...

Okay, so lets pretend you want to have lots and lots of kids, but you can't. You would be a wonderful parent, but no one will let you adopt because you are a Mormon. Would you like that? Probably not.

No church should have power in the state. The separation of Church and state is something that should exist but rarely does... especially in the state of Utah. You see, charity belongs to all of God's children, whether you, the Catholic church or the Mormon Church see it or not. I find it telling that you don't. Do you even know God?
A Methodist church has lost it's tax exempt status because a minister refused to perform a marriage of a same sex couple (they were not of his congregation.)

The Methodist Church should lose it's tax exempt status if they are not treating everyone as equals. That is how it works. The Mormon Church will hopefully learn that lesson soon. No church has a right to give certain rights to certain people. One day, when you are on the outside of that circle, you will see how unjust and unfair it is.

A physician who refused to do fertility treatments on a same sex couple because of religious reasons was sued, lost, and the state is requiring him to treat everyone as equals.


The state is requiring him to treat everyone as equals? Where will this insanity end?!

You are off your fucking rocker if you don't think this guy was out of line by denying his services just because of their sexual orientation. It's a bigoted thing to do. Are you sticking up for him? Looks that way. God help you, honey.

Remember a few decades ago when African-Americans were trying to get equal treatment? Remember how they had to use different water fountains, entrances, and had to sit in the back of the bus? This isn't any different. Those with dark skin can't change who they are, and SHOULDN'T change who they are. Same goes with those in the gay and lesbian community. They can't change, they shouldn't have to feel as if they have to change. They are productive members of society who pay the same taxes and work the same jobs. They deserve the same benefits that you do, honey, and if you can't open your mind enough to see that, I pity you.

Remember when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints had to be forced to give them the same priesthood that it gave the white men or THEY would lose their tax exempt status? No? Oh, of course you were never taught about that. Look it up. Please, and thank you.

Our schools will be required to teach, starting in kindergarten that marriages make up many different combinations. The consequences are horrible.
Eh? I don't see what is so bad about that... what is horrible?

What in the name of God is so horrible about teaching kids that everyone in the world is accepted and treated equally? It shouldn't matter if their families are made up with a mommy and a daddy, a grandmother and an aunt, or two mommies... it's the same.

By teaching kids that families should be one-size-fits-all-cookie-cutter-fairy-land-families, you are singling out every child that lives with his grandparents, his aunt and uncle, or the young men who adopted him. You are making these children feel as if there is something wrong with them and the family they are in. That is really, really messed up.

Would you teach kids not to hang out with other kids who have less traditional families? Would you not let them go over to play at their house? Why? Are you worried they would "turn gay?"

The ignorance is obvious, and THAT is horrific.

Directly tied to ALL of this is our right to continue to go to the Temple. If gay marriage is supported by the government, then those who are same-sex married, who are 'LDS' and legally recognized as married by the government can sue to be married in the temple.&nbs p; It is my opinion that the church will not bend on this issue, and our rights to go to the temple will be in jeopardy.

Sweetie, you can go to your temple, put on the silly clothes and do whatever the hell you want. The trouble starts when your church, the LDS Church, singles out a group of people and tells them they can't share in the "wonderful temple experience." I use quotations because we all know it's a load of crap anyway.

If you lose your temple, it's because your church isn't treating people as equals, not because the gay people are bad and evil. Open your eyes and examine it for what it is. Please. You could learn a thing or two about love and respect if you think your church is right in this case.

AND goodbye to those religious tax-deductions. Tithing, fast offerings, etc. We will lose our tax-exemption status if the government legally forces the church to support same-sex marriage.

They should have lost their tax-exempt status a looooooong time ago, and if there is one thing I have learned about the church I grew up in, it's that nothing matters more to them than money. They will have a revelation of some kind, and their minds will be changed. Just like in the past when the government threatened to do the same thing in 1978. Times are changing, and the church doesn't like change. Tough shit.

These effects are far-reaching! I hope no one is upset by this email, I would not want to offend anyone, but I believe this issue is not a political issue at all, but a moral issue that affects all of society.

Well, you have offended me, and you will continue to offend me until you stop trying to take rights away from people you don't even know.

I agree. The effects of banning gay marriage are far-reaching. It tells young men and women that they are not equal, respected, and they don't deserve the same right to happiness as you do. Morally, that is wrong, don't you agree?

What kind of morals do you have if you think it's perfectly fine to limit someone's right to happiness? Wake up and have some coffee. Please.
The Proclamation on the family clearly gives a warning voice on this matter. I pray that this issue on the ballots will overturn the gay marriages occurring right now in that state, and help prevent other states from adopting this stance. I believe that it is important to support and defend traditional marriage, home and family.
The Proclamation of the Family is something that Mormons believe in. Mormons. Not everyone else. Why are you going to force a group of people who are not of your faith to abide by your church's laws? Is that something you feel is right? Guess what? It's not.

While you are praying that the marriages of men and women who were married in the state of California are overturned because of your beliefs, you are forgetting that they have not hurt you, or your precious family beliefs. Let them be.

There is no way in my mind that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is right, true, or has the right to treat people the way it has in the past. I will say one thing, I WILL NOT PRAY THAT YOUR MARRIAGE IS OVERTURNED BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR BELIEFS. That is true morality. That is something you should learn.

Another friend says that her relatives in Sweden are even watching what goes on in California. Friends in Canada are watching. The whole world is watching what happens.

Yes, they are... and I hope they see the state of California stand up and do what is right.

You have a lot to learn, Molly Mormon, not only about this issue, but about your religion in general. If you only knew what they stood for.


P.S. If you don't want to take my word for it, read this...


  1. Anonymous Says:


    (It's still legal - and always God-honoring - to air messages like the following. See Ezekiel 3:18-19. In light of government backing of raunchy behavior (such offenders were even executed in early America!), maybe the separation we really need is the "separation of raunch and state"!)

    In Luke 17 in the New Testament, Jesus said that one of the big "signs" that will happen shortly before His return to earth as Judge will be a repeat of the "days of Lot" (see Genesis 19 for details). So gays are actually helping to fulfill this same worldwide "sign" (and making the Bible even more believable!) and thus hurrying up the return of the Judge! They are accomplishing what many preachers haven't accomplished! Gays couldn't have accomplished this by just coming out of closets into bedrooms. Instead, they invented new architecture - you know, closets opening on to Main Streets where little kids would be able to watch naked men having sex with each other at festivals in places like San Francisco (where their underground saint - San Andreas - may soon get a big jolt out of what's going on over his head!). Thanks, gays, for figuring out how to bring back our resurrected Saviour even quicker!

    [If you would care to learn about the depraved human "pigpen" that regularly occurs in Nancy Pelosi's district in California, Google "Zombietime" and click on "Up Your Alley Fair" in the left column. And to think - horrors - that she is only two levels away from being President!]

    (Just saw the above article on the web. Any reaction? - Mary)

  1. Sabayon Says:

    Well the biggest problem I have with all of this is that the idea that the Church would be forced to marry gay couples (or that this happened to another church in MA) is a big fat lie. The only person who would be required to marry gay couples is the Justice of the Peace, who is a public official. It's very simple, one's religion is protected, and always has been in this country. It has always been illegal to discriminate based on creed, yet for more than two centuries the Catholic church has refused to marry non-Catholics, and the Mormons have refused to marry non-mormons, etc, etc, and nothing at all happened to them. Church's are allowed to decide who they will and will not marry, even for totally arbitrary reasons, only the government would be required to marry gay couples. This is such a simple thing to understand that I think failing to is just willful ignorance. Certainly that judge was just lying like a rug.