"Your Children Need the Church to be Good People."
Someone shared a story about having a stake president and GA stop at her home in an attempt to get her back into church. She received a phone call the day before, and told them they could stop by after church. She has been inactive for some time, and since her husband was working, she invited the men into her home for a discussion.
When they arrived, she quickly learned it wasn't a GA. It was an area 70... big deal. Blah. Don't get me wrong... none of these men would be on my "Who would you invite to dinner if you could" list," but when someone promises you a GA, they should deliver ;) Just sayin'.
They asked her why she no longer attended services, paid tithing, and took her children to church. She told them that she had studied church history over the course of 10 years, and that she came to the conclusion (like many others) that the church isn't what it claims to be. The Stake President (whom she knows and considers a friend) mentioned that he, too, knew things about church history that were troubling, but he still knew in his heart the church was true. This amazing woman looked him in the eye and said, "People come to your conclusion, and people come to my conclusion."
On their way out of the door the GA said, "Your children need the church to be good people."
This is soooooooooo false.
You don't need to be a certain religion, have a certain set of beliefs, or even a belief in God to be a good person. You don't.
There are good people out there in every single country, every religion, and you know what? I know a ton of atheists who are better people than most who consider themselves good Christian people.
Atheists and Agnostics don't do good things because they are afraid they won't make it into heaven or because God will punish them. They do good things because it's the right thing to do!
What this douche was doing was try to make her second guess herself by using the emotional tie she had with her kids. It's so low. It's lower than low.
I think people really are starting to leave the church in large numbers... especially after Proposition H8. If they are trying to pull this crap to get people back into church they must really be hurting.
It's so stupid. It's low. It's one of the silliest things I have ever heard!
Andee
Me.
WindySydney began as an online journal detailing my exit from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Since leaving the Mormon Church, I have come to the conclusion that religion does more harm than good. I have also become an atheist, looking for logic and reason instead of accepting things on faith.
I also blog about things going on in my life. I am learning photography, I have a severe addiction to diet coke, I am a proud vegetarian, and I have two of the cutest cats in the world. Life is officially an adventure without the magical fairy-tale ending. I plan on enjoying it.
-Andee
Since leaving the Mormon Church, I have come to the conclusion that religion does more harm than good. I have also become an atheist, looking for logic and reason instead of accepting things on faith.
I also blog about things going on in my life. I am learning photography, I have a severe addiction to diet coke, I am a proud vegetarian, and I have two of the cutest cats in the world. Life is officially an adventure without the magical fairy-tale ending. I plan on enjoying it.
-Andee
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May 4, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I couldn't agree more. Being a "good" person, while totally subjective, has absolutely nothing to do with religion or theist belief. We are programmed through our evolution to be nice to those within our group, because it gives humans an evolutionary advantage to do so. We are inherently good because we evolved that way, not because some god or saviour "created" us to be so - there is evidence for evolutionary morality, and still none for anything to do with gods of any kind.
Mormonism is dying, and I think the leaders are just beginning to realise how much trouble they're in. But I don't think there's anything they can or will do that will stop it. They're to myopic and bigoted to make the changes that could actually help their organisation. And it's just as well.
May 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM
I undoubtedly left for my children. I could see that the church was already starting to destroy them. It undermined my ability to instill a positive outlook in life and a fear of not being good enough. My children are so much happier without the church.
Church was also a place of bullying with our children. I think the adults were so afraid to confront the parents in risk of offending them. We are glad they are not in that harmful environment any more!
May 4, 2009 at 7:14 PM
You are both so wrong. It's sad that you're so corrupted by free-thinking and facts that you fail to see the simple truth in front of you:
The Church (TM) has an absolute monopoly on goodness and morality.
I'm amazed and ashamed at your distasteful notion that it doesn't.
*tsk, tsk, tsk*