I wrote this long list of questions in April, and it has been published before. I think I want to repost them because there are still no answers to these questions. Many believing Mormons claim I am full of crap and possessed by Satan, yet they can't answer these questions truthfully. Maybe I should send these to Tommy?
Do you consider it lying when someone does not tell you the complete story and purposefully leaves out certain details?
Why was I taught an inaccurate version of events from church leaders regarding the first vision and translation of the Book of Mormon?
Why was I not taught about Joseph Smith’s past regarding treasure seeking with the same seer stone used in the translation of the Book of Mormon?
Can you understand that when people realize the church didn’t share all the facts regarding this matter it makes the church seem as if it is covering something up?
Now that many people have admitted that Joseph Smith used a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon, as well as treasure seeking facts, why don’t they teach and promote the accurate version of events?
Why does the church use tools, like paintings, that depict the translation of the Book of Mormon in a false manner to teach children and investigators?
Why not show paintings depicting the actual events of the translation of the Book of Mormon with Joseph Smith using a seer stone in a top hat?
Does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe the Book of Abraham to be scripture?
Why doesn’t the church tell the complete and full story regarding the Book of Abraham?
Why did Joseph Smith translate the Egyptian papyri and claim it as scripture when many Egyptologists have studied the papyri and translate them to common funerary texts?
Do you find it troubling that a “Prophet of God” could get this wrong?
Do you understand why so many people see this as a giant red flag in regards to being able to trust Joseph Smith and his translating abilities?
What kind of a god helps Joseph Smith translate the Book of Mormon using a rock that he used previously to rob and deceive people with?
Is this the kind of god that is just and holy and that avoids the very appearance of evil?
Why did Joseph Smith believe the Kinderhook Plates were record from God and make plans to translate them?
Why don’t most Mormons know about the situation regarding the Kinderhook Plates?
If Joseph Smith did nothing wrong, why not talk about it?
Why does the Mormon Church teach that polygamy will be practiced in heaven?
Why would God or an angel of God command Joseph Smith to practice polygamy?
If an angel of God commanded Joseph Smith to practice polygamy, why was it necessary for him to keep it secret from his own wife?
How could a “Prophet of God” deceive his own wife?
Isn’t lying to your wife breaking a commandment?
Why would Joseph Smith practice polygamy even though the 12th article of faith clearly states: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Even though polygamy was never legal?
If the current prophet were to receive revelation that polygamy was again necessary, would you or male family members take on other wives?
Why were 33 of the know women sealed to Joseph Smith in the temple already married to living men?
Why would a “Prophet of God” think it to be a good idea to take on two wives (Helen Mar Kimball and Nancy Winchester) when they were only 14 years old at the time?
Why did the first edition of the Doctrine and Covenants (1835) include a section denying the practice of polygamy?
Why would it be necessary to lie about polygamy being practiced by Mormons if it was truly needed to reach the celestial kingdom?
Can you understand why it is so hard to trust an organization that was clearly being deceitful?
Why would God command people to break the law and then ask them to lie about it?
If polygamy was truly essential to reach the celestial kingdom, why was the practice stopped?
Why has the church changed it’s position on gospel doctrine so many times?
Why did Brigham Young repeatedly teach that Adam was God the Father?
Why do most Mormons who talk to me about this issue believe it’s either a mistake or something that was taken out of context?
Brigham Young clearly believed and taught that Adam was indeed God the Father. He told people he had revelation on the subject. Why do Mormon Apologists deny this?
Since the church has officially distanced itself from the comments about the Adam/God theory, how do you know what will be true doctrine and what will not?
If anyone who received the temple endowments and still believed the Adam/God theory didn’t deserve to be saved, where does that leave Brigham Young?
One prophet teaches that Adam is God, something “which God revealed to him” as well as that his teachings are scripture. When then have another prophet who condemns the doctrine that Adam is God. Finally, we have an apostle who feels that the prophets can be an unreliable source of information. Therefore, he says, we should rely on the scriptures-- which themselves originate from prophets and apostles. How are we supposed to know who to believe and when?
Do you understand how that makes anything hard to believe?
When does one know to believe the prophets and apostles? It seems that it just depends on whom and when?
How can one believe the famous saying, “The prophet will never lead you astray” after Brigham Young led people astray?
Don’t you think God would have designed a clearer system than this for receiving his divine messages?
Why has the temple endowment ceremony been changed if it came directly from God Himself?
Why were death oaths once used in the temple ceremony?
Why was it that people of color could not hold the priesthood until 1978?
Why would God not want all of his children to be treated fairly?
Why would God allow certain kinds of people the priesthood and not others?
Many people have mentioned that the Church was about to lose it’s tax-exempt status and that is the only reason the prophet suddenly received revelation to allow men of color to hold the priesthood. What is the official reason for the change of heart?
Do you understand why its hard to believe this decision was made purely from revelation?
Why were missionaries taught not to baptize people of color on their missions before 1978?
Do you understand why many people will always consider the Mormon Church to be a racist organization due to the comments and actions of previous prophets and apostles?
Why was it taught that people who were born with dark skin were being punished in this life because of their actions in the pre-existence?
Do you understand why it is extremely offensive to people to judge their character because of your beliefs about them in the pre-existence? How can you judge someone on something that you have no personal recollection of?
Why was it taught that dark skin would turn lighter and more “delightsome” once they learned and accepted the gospel?
Now that we know for certain that skin color has nothing to do with any curse, how can we believe anything else these specific apostles and prophets said? How can we trust anyone who was so horribly and inhumanely wrong?
Why has the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints never officially apologized to people of color for this mistreatment?
Do you feel that the Church should apologize for their mistreatment of African-Americans and other races after the harm and hurt it caused many of them?
In the past it was taught that birth control was “wickedness” (Joseph Fielding Smith) and that if you used birth control “destruction was inevitable” (Joseph Fielding Smith). If these words came from a prophet, why do we now believe different things?
Yet another prophet has it wrong, how can we trust the things they say given this track record?
If temple garments were so important, why has the design for the garments changed over time?
Why wasn’t Joseph Smith wearing his temple garments when he was killed?
Originally, the Word of Wisdom asked members not to have alcohol, tobacco, hot drinks, the use of wine only with communion, and meat only in the winter. How did that evolve into the no coffee/tea/alcohol/tobacco Word of Wisdom we have today?
If the word of Wisdom is so important, why did Joseph Smith have alcohol with him in Carthage Jail? It was not intended for communion. (History of the Church, vol. 7 p. 101)
If the word of wisdom was intended to teach Mormons not to have hot drinks, why is drinking hot chocolate allowed but not coffee? Is it the caffeine? If caffeine is the issue, why do many Mormons drink Mountain Dew or other caffeinated soft drinks?
Why were many of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon later quoted as saying that they saw the golden plates through “the eyes of faith?”
If church leaders think this isn’t an issue, why isn’t it discussed openly and honestly?
Why isn’t this information shared with investigators?
Don’t you feel that it is important to be honest with people that are deciding if the Mormon Church is for them?
Shouldn't everything be out in the open before someone is baptized? Isn’t that fair and moral?
Why are items mentioned in the Book of Mormon not in the Americas at the time (Pre-Colombian)? None of these items have been discovered or verified in any ancient American archaeological expedition or historical investigation in the last 200 years?
Chariots (Alma 18:9)
Seven Day Week (Mosiah 13:18)
Cimeters (old world two-handed steel blade) (Mosiah 9:16 and other verses)
Land kept from the knowledge of “Other Nations” (2 Nephi 1:18)
Bellows (1 Nephi 17:11)
Brass and Iron (2 Nephi 5:15)
Breast plates and Copper (Mosiah 8:10)
Gold and Silver Currency (Alma 11)
Silver (Jarom 1:18)
Steel Swords (Esther 7:9, 2 Nephi 5:14)
Cattle, oxen, donkeys, horses, goats, and wild goats (1 Nephi 18:25)
Sheep, Swine, and elephants (Esther 7:9 and 2 Nephi 5:14)Plow agriculture such as barley (Alma 11:7) and wheat (Mosiah 9:9)Absence of foods known to ancient America such as chocolate, lima beans, squash, potatoes, tomatoes, etc.
Do you understand why its so hard for people to believe the Book of Mormon as true historical record with all of these problems?
Why are women not allowed to hold the priesthood?
If the color of skin (to hold the priesthood) is no longer an issue, why is gender an issue?
Why does gender determine so much in the Mormon Church?
Why are women basically groomed from a young age (I speak from experience) to be wives and mothers?
What happens when a Mormon woman decides she doesn’t want to be a wife or mother and instead focus on a career or education?
What would you say to a young woman who didn’t want to be a wife and mother?
How does anyone know what God wants for someone else?
Why are women only allowed to occupy subordinate roles to make priesthood holders?
If women are only allowed to serve under male priesthood roles, how is there any equality?
Why are women who raise their voices about this inequality receive disciplinary action?
Deborah Lake, excommunicated, author of “Secret Ceremonies.”
Lavina Fielding Anderson, excommunicated, collected stories of people (mainly women) who have been abused by the Mormon system. Edited the book, “Sisters in Spirit: Mormon Women in Historical and Cultural Perspective.”
Is it the Church’s position to say that one person has more power, control, and responsibility based on gender?
What do you think about the talk given by Julie B. Beck during general conference in October of 2007 titled, “Mothers Who Know?”
Do you think women in the Mormon Church have unrealistic expectations?
What if I don’t want to be married in the afterlife and have spirit child after spirit child?
Why are women supposed to tell their husbands their temple names, but men are told to keep their temple name from their wives?
What is the purpose of the temple name?
Why must we have a new/different name in heaven?
Shouldn’t God know who we are without secret handshakes and secret names?
Do you understand why many feel that women are second class citizens in the church?
Why was I told multiple times that my life wouldn’t be as fulfilling if I didn’t marry a return missionary and raise my kids in the church?
How would anyone know what would make my life, and others, more fulfilling?
Does the church know what will and will not be fulfilling to women?
Why can’t a women bless her own child?
Why is it that women don’t get to make any decisions about church wealth?
Do you think its fair and equal to not give women equal say in how this money is spent?
Can you understand that this inequality is an extremely valid reason to leave the church?
What is so horrible and evil about homosexuality?
How is the church threatened?
Why is the church so patriarchal, when it is clear that patriarchal societies foster abuse of women and children?
Why do women have no clear voice in the church, especially in the upper echelons?
Why do church courts have no female representatives in them, even when females are being judged?
Why did the church actively oppose the ERA and the marriage amendment, when it is supposed to not be a political institution, and becoming politically involved could jeopardize its tax exempt status?
Why did it try to cover up this opposition?
Why after 200 years is there still no archaeological record of any BOM peoples?
Why is the genetic evidence so compellingly against the BOM peoples being descended from Israelite peoples?
Why is the temple ceremony so close to the Masonic ceremonies JS participated in prior to his starting up temple ceremonies?
And why have they been changed so much?
Why are women still subjugated in the temple ceremony? They have to veil, and be responsible to their husbands, not to the Lord.
Why does the church talk about JS so much, and neglects Jesus Christ so much (count the references to JS in any General Conference, and compare them with references to Jesus Christ)?
Why does the church feel it is acceptable to Christ's teachings to spend $2B on a mall, when so many of its own members are unable to feed their families?
Why is tithing so important to the Mormon Church?
Why must church members report annually to their bishop to promise they paid a full and complete tithe for the year?
Why is this necessary in order to go to the temple?
Since temple covenants are so important to Mormons, do you understand why many assume you are literally paying for your salvation?
Why does the church need this money?
Why does the church make claims that paying 10 percent tithing to the LDS Church gives you more blessings in your life?
Why are family members kept away from ceremonies in the temple (like weddings)?
Why would God want this?
Why does the Church spend so much money on it’s businesses instead of donating that money to people who need it to survive?
Why does the church need a 2 billion dollar mall in Salt Lake City?
Couldn't that money be spent helping humanity?
October 4, 2008 at 10:42 AM
WOW, that's quite a list you've got going on there. I suppose you had to dump that load some place. See what you're missing is that all the things on your list are of no consequence because it was all "revealed". It doesn't need to be proven. And if you doubt it, think about all of the Mormons who have a "testimony" that it's true despite the evidence to the contrary. Faith in the face of contrary evidence makes the Mormon adherent extra spiritual. So if you would just humbly read the BoM and pray for God to reveal to you it's "truth" you'd get a special feeling that would override all of the evidence. You say why read and pray about the truth of something when you know it's false? I'll get back to you on that. There must be an answer. OK in the mean time read the Koran and pray if it's true. If you get a special feeling than forget about the BoM. OK?
October 4, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Um...
You seem to have anger issues. It's okay, you are a believer and you are angry that I am speaking ill of your church.
I was once in your position, and one day, you might be in mine.
Until then, have a good day.
Andee
October 4, 2008 at 8:56 PM
"Do you consider it lying when someone does not tell you the complete story and purposefully leaves out certain details?"
No.
October 4, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Seth,
I do.
There are a hell of a lot of people who agree with me.
It's called lying by omission. It isn't right. A lie is a lie. I learned that *IN* the church.
Andee
October 4, 2008 at 9:38 PM
People leave out things all the time. NFL post-game interviews with the players. Presidential stump speeches. Frosted Flakes commercials. Answering your wife when she asks "how was your day?" Teaching US history. Teaching Newton's Laws of Physics in high school. Promoting a movie you really liked to your friend.
Happens all the time. And it isn't always, or even usually, dishonest. Oftentimes its just a case of not wasting people's time on dumb crap that doesn't matter.
The seerstone definitely qualifies in that department.
October 4, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I agree that is a lie. I also agree that if a person or organization lies or leaves out the impotant details that they most likely do it over and over.
I love the questions and I love that you took the time to write them all down in one place. I would love answers to them also and I know I will never get them. Not from the people I want to hear them from anyway.
And can I ask, Why is it so wrong of us to ask these questions? Why do people feel the need to berate and discredit us when we have every right to question? Why do active members see us as so different, we walked in their shoes at one time, we do understand and know what they know, so why?
If someone has a problem with the questions, why won't they take the time to answer them?
I've stopped looking for answers.
October 5, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Is that all? I'm sure you have at least 4000 more questions. ;)
But seriously, Seth, how can you honestly believe it is not lying to leave out true details (often the majority of the details) that would cause a story to be interpreted entirely differently.
Much of the details in church history are glossed over, and/or actively supressed by the church in order to make the history more palatable. A LOT of what is left out is the details about Joseph Smith's life that goes to his character and trustworthiness as a "prophet of god". If he really was/is a prophet, then why lie about what he did and said? Why try to change and cover up the true history of the church? If the church really were true, I don't think it would have to worry about "little" things like those pesky details.
Hmmm?
October 5, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Seth,
Sorry, but if you think that facts about the seer stone are not "important" that is YOUR opinion. However, there are people like me out there who feel that is very, very important.
If Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, the church should have nothing to hide.
Getting people to believe in your religion, give you 10 percent of their money, and make them believe in your eternal promises is a big difference from NFL stuff, and asking a spouse about their day...
There isn't any excuse for hiding things from the members of the church. None.
Andee
October 5, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I don't think they are actively hiding things from the Church (at least, I have not yet drawn that conclusion). I think there are simply things they are not fully disclosing.
I do not think this comes from an impulse of dishonesty. I just think that the LDS leadership doesn't really care about the same issues you do. And they don't want to let our opponents dictate how we talk about our own religion.
I sympathize with that. But my own view is that the Church would be better suited to simply teach the stuff - so as to avoid damage from silly anti-Mormon attacks that ultimately shouldn't matter, but nonetheless seem to matter to more than a few Mormons and ex-Mormons.
October 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Hey Seth!
I was gone over the weekend and never got back with you on that other blog before you left. You can find the calculations for the Daniel 9 prophecy on this website: http://www.redmoonrising.com/daniel.htm
Disclaimer on the website - haven't read it all, just like his explanation on the Daniel 9 prophecy. Others have given similar explanations, there's a couple different ways of crunching the numbers. Anyway, OT prophecies were very specific and that's why people were expectantly awaiting the Messiah (Luke 2). Where's the prophecies concerning Joseph Smith/Mormonism?
Sorry to crash this blog - I love your questions Andee. I hope you influence others to keep asking questions as well.
October 5, 2008 at 6:29 PM
I think you might come to that conclusion one day, Seth. I really do.
October 6, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I don't know Andee. I doubt there's too much that you've read about the skeletons in the LDS closet that I haven't already read or heard about myself.
Jessica, thanks for the response.