Random Temple Stuff

Posted by: Andee / Category: , ,


Firstly, I know this is going to automatically become an issue of me speaking about the secret (I mean sacred) stuff that happens in the temple. It's my right to talk about it, and there is no reason to keep it secret (I mean sacred.) This is how I feel, and if you don't like it... tough.

Why is it that you have to wear special clothes in the temple? Does God really care what clothes you are wearing when you make covenants to him? Should it matter? Why must everything be just so? I just have a hard time with this, and the amount of money people spend on renting or buying their own temple clothing. (By the way... let me just mention that you *can* buy your temple clothing from the church... how convenient!?!)

Women must wear dresses. Why? Why must I wear a dress? Am I less worthy if I wear pants? What the hell?

The whole thing wastes a lot of energy in my opinion... not to mention money. Here is a story I found online about a young woman's trip to the temple:

I was with a group of women who drove for an hour and a half to show up for ward-assigned duty at the Seattle temple. In our group was a woman who was very, very close to her due date with her first child.

Any woman who's been pregnant can back me up on this - there is NOTHING that will lift a waddling expectant mother's spirits like a new outfit!

Sister Due-any-minute had such an outfit on. Her husband had lovingly picked it out for her. She loved it and felt pretty for the first time in months. It was a most unusual outfit. It looked like a salwar kameez (an Indian long tunic & pants set), but it was actually all one piece. The dress part came down past mid-calf, and somehow the bottom folded over with two short "cuffs" attached at the bottom. It looked like a long dress over fitted trousers, with just a couple of inches of cuff showing at the ankles.

The temple worker at the front desk told her it was disrespectful to try and "sneak in" with pants on, and to go and "take those things off this minute!" Sister Due-any-minute explained that they weren't pants, they were just cuffs at the bottom of the dress. "I don't care what they are, either take them off or wait in the parking lot for your friends!"

Again, she explained that she couldn't take her feet out of the cuffs without taking off the whole dress. She was still refused entry.

She went back to the car, and in her terribly pregnant condition, somehow managed to get the outfit off and then get back into it with her ankles out. She took the two cuffs and tied them together so they wouldn't flop around as she walked.

"That's better!" sez the temple worker, "now, you ARE wearing pantyhose under there, aren't you?" She was wearing knee-his, but answered yes anyway. Thankfully, the temple worker didn't feel the need to check just how far up the nylons went, and Sister Due-any-minute was admitted to spend a grueling afternoon, sitting, standing, getting dressed and undressed and playing handshakes at the veil.

What was that all about? The poor woman went to the temple as directed even though she was due to have a baby at any time... why do people feel the need to do this kind of thing? Just let the woman in the freaking building!! She paid her 10%!

Now, here is something I have heard many times in my life:

"You will understand everything better when you get through the temple."

Just tell me now, please. Why the need for all these secrets (I mean, sacredness...)? Do you really think some ceremony is going to change things? It doesn't. Does. Not. Happen. If anything, the temple ceremony raises more questions... that people won't answer... why? Because it's secret! (I mean sacred.)

Read this story:

It is true that I completely removed myself from the endowment ceremony in 1991. I was called to Colombia Bogota mission while at BYU in "Deseret Towers - R Hall" to be exact.

I was leery of the mission, but hey colombia sounded like a great experience.

Speed up til May 1991 one month before the MTC. My parents and I were having discussions about the temple. I was very nervous and had many questions. I wondered why not much information was available to the virgin temple goers. Why was it so hush hush?.

My mom tried to explain it me and used words like gowns, annointing of the body and sacred rituals. My dad just told me it would be a new and exciting time in my life. Nevertheless (phrasing BOM) I was utterly confused.

I didn't have any resources available, but one friend who had gone through and had told me it was really weird and awkward. He wouldn't say anything else even after bugging him over and over. What was so secret? I kept thinking about it and why GOD would want to keep it so sacred. I was also studying the new testament and tried to find clues to temples and endowments, etc. I couldn't find my answer there either.

I spoke with my Bishop and he said I had common symptons of many first time temple goers. I felt some assurance with his answer, then again I was 19 and kind of moldable.

The day came and I went into the dressing room. I was handed a shawl like poncho gown. It was bizarre and was led into the initiatory phase. Man I was freaking out. What the F was going happen? My heart was racing. I got to the area and a couple of old brothers began their oil sponge bath. I was very uncomfortable and upset. Why wasn't I told about this?


I finally got dressed to go into the endowment. I had my "pink" tag on and was led from the chapel to the endowment room and was led to the front row.


Then it was quiet and I heard on the overhead speakers the uttering a few simple instructions and then the request if any would withdraw please raise your hands. I can't remember the exact words, but something like that.

I thought for a split second. I raised my hand and the usher came over. He whispered in my ear if I was requesting to be escorted out. I said "yes, I prefer to not participate". A blank look came across his face. He motioned for me to come with him and we went out of the room. My mom and dad were almost frozen.

Out in the hall, he asked me if I was uncomfortable or not felling well. I told him I would prefer not to participate in the ordinance until I understood what it was about.

He ushered my back to the dressing room, quiet as a church mouse. He probably was in disbelief about it all.


2 hours later, I was waiting for my parents in the foyer. They were devastated. My mom was crying and my dad was very perplexed.


They asked me what happened and I told them I felt uncomfortbale and unsure of the oridinance. I had a few weeks to re-decide my endowment and my mission, but each day I got further away from the mission plans. My MTC date came and passed and then a year and two and three.


I don't regret my decision. I didn't do it out of disbelief. I did it because I felt weird. Years later I stumbled across this site and have been a silent lurker ever since.

For 13 years I considered myself inactive. I drank a few beers, got a great career and lived life.

I married a non-mormon and we are happy.
Wow. I totally give this person props for walking out of the ceremony. Usually people are so consumed with peer pressure to act on their feelings. Instead, they are frozen in their chair, scared to death, and thinking... "What the F*#@ was that? Why am I wearing this baker's hat? What's the deal with the secret (I mean sacred) handshakes?"

This person actually stopped on the spot and told the temple workers that they wouldn't go through the ceremony until it was explained to them. I wish more people would be this way! Not just in the secret (I mean sacred) temple! Make those missionaries explain it all to you before you are baptized! No milk before meat, eat the whole effing meal! Then let them know if you are interested!

While I am on the subject of the secret (I mean sacred) handshakes, let me go off on a little sidenote here.... What in the world are people thinking with the handshakes?

  • People are going to learn the handshakes... people outside the group... you can't stop it, they can't stay secret (I mean sacred) forever.
  • Do you really think God is up there waiting for you to use your secret (I mean sacred) handshake? What about your secret (I mean sacred) temple name? Why can't he just use your regular name? It's not secret (I mean sacred) enough?
Maybe it's just me, but these things seem extremely silly. Silly isn't even the word, but I won't use the word I am thinking of.

There is more...

One woman tells this story about her temple experience:
I'll never forget my first temple session with my friend that converted me to the Church.

As if I wasn't stressed enough as is trying to tie a sash in a bow and it had to be over top of the apron and the robe had to be from this side to this side.
I figure stepping into the shoes was simple enough. Just slide 'em on. Thank god something simple that I know how to do.

Wrong!!!

I had made the god awful mistake of putting my left one on first. I got sternly tapped on the leg and my friend nudged me and said TAKE THAT ONE OFF AND PUT THE RIGHT ONE ON FIRST.

Talk about a look of bewilderment.

I was even more confused. I hated that whole experience.

I am just wondering if any of you were ever told such a silly thing.
Later when I asked her about it when we were allowed to talk. (AKA OUTSIDE THE TEMPLE), she said it was just like passing the sacrament -- that you were to use your right hand. Ha -- I had never paid attention to what hand I used to pass the sacrament to the next person.

That bugged me for so long but I studied the ward minions and many of them indeed always passed it with their right hand. And once the friend mumbled something about "Right hand of God" having something to do with why to put the right shoe on first.
Does God care what shoe you put on first? Why would that matter in the slightest? Come. On. Are we or are we not being a little OCD? There are so many more things I could rant about, but I want to play with my new camera lens for a while.


14 comments:

  1. steve-o Says:

    That "no pants in the temple" rule isn't just for the temple. I know someone who got pulled aside at church and was told never to wear slacks to church again. Whether or not that's one man's opinion or official doctrine, I don't know. And, of course, there's the whole white shirt-on-sunday thing. I certainly caught flak for wearing colored or patterned shirts to church. Never mind the fact that I was there--dress is so much more important.

    We all show respect in different ways. For Mormons, that means doing certain things with the right hand or the right side first, and not discussing what goes on in the temple outside of the temple. For Muslims, that means not wearing shorts in a mosque (I recently had my first experience in one) or showing skin on certain other parts of your body. These kinds of beliefs are traditional, cultural and/or dogmatic. They might seem impractical to you or me, but hey, people have their right to them.

    I don't know what your job is or where you work, but it sounds like it's customer service-oriented. Ever call someone "sir" or "ma'am"? Why? What difference does it make?

    I know a lot of people have problems with the whole sacred/secret nature of the temple, but seriously, what goes on in there is not a huge deal. Weird, yes...but after going in, and even after leaving the church, I still don't feel like anything is being hidden for a negative reason. Mormons believe temples and what goes on in temples are sacred, so they don't talk about it unless in the temple. There are rules about what can and can't go on in regular chapels, too (e.g., no cameras, camcorders, woodwind instrument performances, etc.). If that's the way they want it, that's their prerogative. Not a huge deal.

  1. Anonymous Says:

    You do understand everything when you go to the temple. You understand that women are not worthy to hearken directly to God because Eve ate the fruit. They must hearken to their husband (previously they had to obey their husband).

    You learn that they don't consider it God's church. You covenant to give everything you own, time, etc and life to The CHurch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    You learn that when you get your washing and annointings (the only place women practice the priesthood one with another)they use it to bless, among other things, your ears so you can hear the counsel of your husband and another body part (like heart or brain) to understand or obey or something. Pretty much sums up that you suck.

    You also learn that it is, please excuse me, fucking nuts. What kind of God insists that you spend all of your time doigng work for dead people so they can get to the temple instead of helping live ones? The Mormon God, that's who....

    Just for the hell of it, I will sign this post with my magic, special name that my non-existent husband can use to call me from the dead on the morning of the first resurrection-apparently women can't do anything for themselves in this cult.

  1. Soy Yo Says:

    My experiance was just like that missionary only I did not have the balls to walk out. I was just sat there hoping it would get better. It never did. I admire that guy for not commiting to it before he knew what would be expected of him. Sounds like he has real integrity. Great Post!

  1. Andee Says:

    Soy Yo,

    I really believe most people have "What the hell was that?!!?!?" going through their minds on their first visit.

    There is so much peer pressure to stay silent and loving about the experience that most people just pretend it was wonderful.

    This person was very brave, and I love it!!! Glad you liked the post!

  1. Anonymous Says:

    If you'd like to learn more about what the temple is about, and why God commands his covenant people to wear certain sacred clothing while performing gospel ordinances, you can read the book of Exodus, or visit my blog: TempleStudy.com

  1. Andee Says:

    Bryce,

    I just think it's silly. Period. God wouldn't give a flying rats ass if you wore pants or a cheerleader skirt to church on sunday.

    That is the point I am trying to make. Clothing is just clothing, shouldn't the commitment be just that? A commitment? Not a huge show put on for everyone?

  1. Anonymous Says:

    The clothing is symbolic of much deeper and higher things than just its mundane purpose, in order to teach us. The clothing represents the covenants that we enter into. I think God does care whether we wear formal clothing or a bikini to church on Sunday. It's a matter of respect, reverence, symbolism, modesty, honor, sacred space, and worship that is worthy of God's presence. There is no show. In the temple, all are dressed alike.

  1. Andee Says:

    Bryce,

    When did I mention a Bikini? Even I have my limits!

    I think people don't give God enough credit. He has more on his mind than what sister so-and-so wore to the temple last Thursday.

    This whole thing is silly.

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Your "cheerleader skirt" was getting there...

    God commanded Moses to clothe the sons of Aaron with holy garments, so that they might minister within the holy place, and such has he commanded his servants again today (Exodus 29). Whatever God commands is right, no matter how silly it may seem to us (Isa. 55:8).

  1. Andee Says:

    Forgive me, but I fail to see how a cheerleader skirt and a bikini are even remotely related...

    As for your comments from the scriptures, you are falling on deaf ears here. I don't believe in the scriptures.

  1. Anonymous Says:

    What do you believe in?

  1. Andee Says:

    Have you even read the blog bryce? I have written about it many times.

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Can bryce point out in the scriptures where it says skirts must be worn every Sunday at church?

    Clothign is a cultural thing, in coutnries wear mean wear skirts they can wear them to church.

    In this country women wore skirts up until only a couple decades ago so naturally it would take some time for a church set in its ways to change a rule.

    I went to a temple with a pants suit on and was allowed in. I also wear pants to church even though one lady felt it was important to tell me how insipidious and disrespectful it was.

    I'd have taken my clothing off in front of the temple worker right there if someone treated me that way. I had to wear hikingboots when pregnant and no one kicked me out anywhere, but it was all that fit me.

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Miss Amy, I didn't say skirts must be worn every Sunday at church.