Windy Sydney

June 9, 2008 at 4:33 PM

More than one husband?! Im in! Oh wait, 10% is pretty high, would you take 5%?

It is incredible that people can see all of this right in front of them and still choose to believe in it. I say choose because I don't believe that once you know the whole story that anyone really believes it is true.

We had an exit interview with the Bishop last night. He asked us to meet with him and suprisingly he was very respectful and understanding. He told us that he thinks we are good people and believes we are on the right path for us and good luck. It was awesome. So, it's official, we are no longer mormon!

June 9, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Hey Sydney,

No I would not believe him.

because if I knew of all of these facts like the mountain meadow massacre and that this false prophet practiced polygamy like joseph smith did,and that he married other men wives,and that he had filthy sexual relations with 14 year old girls like joseph smith did, and that he killed two men right before he died,and that he used a peep stone to interpret the bom.

I would know right away that he is a false prophet.

Because the holy bible say and you shall know them by their fruit.

And also I would know he is a false prophet like joseph smith is and was because mormons worship joseph smith and not Jesus Christ,for Jesus is the one who died for all of our sins.

And remember Syd I gave you and every one a in depth view of what the holy bible say are the core traits and behavior of a false prophet.

June 9, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Syd,

I'm upset that you've resorted to this manner or tone to discuss the religion that I truly believe in, but hey life goes on.

I don't want you to take offense to what I say below, I'm just stating my opinion.

I think your blog should be retitled actually to Windy Sydney: Rational Thought v Faith. Because essentially and perhaps more implicit than anything, your post here is more of an attack on Faith and Religion in general than the Mormon Church. For if we take your line of thinking in this post, its impossible to believe:

(1) That a Man was born to a virgin (denies science) and that he dropped blood from his skin in a Garden and that he died but was 'resurrected' the next day miraculously

(2) That a Man was sitting down thinking one day and somehow came up with the plan to obtain 'enlightenment' and that if we give up all our possessions and lose desire for worldly goods, we will eventually be led into the universe and be one.

(3) That a Man spoke with God as a prophet and wrote a whole collaboration of Scripture including things like polygamy and the like and eventually created a whole doctrine of religion known as Islam from which people eventually would believe that suiciding themselves would lead to eternal life with many virgins as their prize.

(4) That clapping your hands and falling over is the work of God.

(5) That placing stones under your pillow at night will heal your infirmaties.

etc,etc,etc.

You see my point? Your beef isn't really with the Mormon Church only, its with all religions period. The large number of the worlds population who believe in God, who believe in a prophet, who believe in miracles beyond human comprehension are the ones you really disagree with. They are being duped...because essentially, faith cannot be proven, Scriptures cannot be evidenced unequivocally, and prophets are wrong evidently in someones eyes somewhere.

But you exercise some Faith sometimes you know. When you say things like 'God wouldn't be like that,' you are exercising some faith that God in fact exists. But essentially if you are in that realm, the evidence stacks up against you. For many scriptures speak of polygamy (Christian, Judaism, Islam) as being from God; Many scriptures declare that homosexuality is wrong; many scriptures declare in miraculous angelic visitations including God to small/young people, etc, etc.

I think that essentially this argument which continually repeats itself over and over, is Faith v Rational Thought. And that debate I think you and I have decided, will not be resolved anytime soon.

June 9, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Hey congradulation demand more,

On you and your family new found freedom.

because you and sydney are so brave and you both are a inspiration to us all.

because we have all said loud and clear to the mormon cult in one voice that we will not tolerate this cover up and abuse.

and all the hidden skeletons of the false prophet joseph smith deep dark twisted past.

HALLELUJAH DON'T IT FEEL GOOD TO BE FINALLY FREE.

PRAISE JESUS PRAISE THE LORD JESUS IS LORD AND SAVIOR.

June 9, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Hey nicko,

I told you once people find out the true history of the false prophet joseph smith that they would be leaving in droves.

because first of all nicko people do not like to be lied to.

and joseph smith and the lds cult continue to lie to a great number of people even til this day.

well syd looks like demand more and our resignations from the lds cult has struck a nerve with nicko.

but we only are speaking and telling the truth.

so enjoy nicko.

because demand more and my resignation and sydney resignation is on just the begining so get ready for mormon inc is sinking fast it is closing time for the false prophet joseph smith.

and the evil organization that he started.

June 9, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Demand More,

Congrats with the meeting with the bishop. It sounds like he is an actual nice guy and not at all like some of the jerks I have had to deal with in the past. It rocks that you are out of the church and HAPPY! Hugs to you, my friend!

donangelo,

None of us were given the complete story from the church. That, is the same as lying. I don't believe in prophets at all. I don't think God would ever pick one person and talk to him/her alone. IF God were to do that, He would pick someone worthy, not someone like Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.

Nicko,

I knew you would have an issue with this post, but it's just how I feel. My tone is sarcastic because that is who I am and how I act when I get fed up. It's just honesty.

We have had the rational thought vs. Faith debate more times than I can count...

Not sure if a man being born to a virgin ever really happened. The Bible isn't literal to me. I think you keep forgetting that. I don't think there is one true religion out there, and I think it's arrogant for any church to think they are the only ones with the answers.

I have faith in something I have seen, touched, smelled... not something that is promised to me over and over again and held together with band-aids and duct tape.

I can't believe in the Mormon Church because there are too many questions that don't have good answers Nicko. I don't believe in any religion, but I find that leaving the Mormon religion is hard, and I am sharing my experiences about it. Seems to help myself and others.

If God can produce miracles, why does he help one person but not the other? We don't know. We have to throw our hands in the air and say something like, "It's God's will." What I am getting at is that there is an explanation for everything. If your prayers are answered, God helped you. If your prayers are ignored, God doesn't have an answer for you yet. If your prayers don't come true, it wasn't God's will. God wins and exists every time in that way of thinking.

Again, I have mentioned that I don't believe in any religion. This blog is about my issues with Mormonism.

June 9, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Nicko,

One more small point...

We keep skimming past the Actual issues that I listed. How can Mormonism be true, yet it has that many problems with science and false doctrine? How does that make sense to you?

If I only had one or two problems with the religion I would have just stayed inactive. It's when I realized that the church was actively LYING to me about the past, and covering up science problems that existed, that I had to stand up and wave the B.S. flag.

I still don't know how you could think they are honest and trustworthy after being caught in so many deceptions!

June 9, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Thanks for your support guys!

Sydney, I love that you stand up for what you believe, this is your blog and you have every right to write what you want and how you want. If someone can't appreciate that you are sharing honest facts, not just opinions but facts, they still need to respect that this is your place to write out your feeling.

I wish I could give you a big hug for helping me so much through your writing, keep it up!

June 9, 2008 at 8:43 PM

I disagree there Sydney I actually have dealt with a number of these issues previously quite extensively...From DNA to Polygamy, I've gone over things extensively with you. I choose not to bother answering them now because i'd merely be repeating myself. Its my choice to do so..

I didn't take offense to the manner in which you displayed this blog entry, just so you know. I just thought that it was a little out of place from your previously written blog entries. One of the things that attracted me to your blog was how you seemingly have real issues with doctrinal/historical things without getting too 'emotionally biased' against the church. I've seen you stand up to Donangelo and the like and say we're not inherently evil, etc,etc. I was just surprised that you took such a sarcastic tone to it all...thats it.

I think you hit the nail on the head in your response regarding how you feel about God. You want tangible evidence and proof. Unfortunately, there isn't a religion alive on Earth today that can give that. It is really a matter of faith unfortunately...and some people like yourself cannot accept that. I can really empathize...honestly.

As for how I reconcile it? I guess the same way anyone in any religion reconciles it. But I believe having a limited number of experiences with other religions (you know my background) that this Church at least for me has given me experiences beyond human rational explanation. I'd love to share some with you sometime, but right now I'm on holiday (believe it or not!) and I've gotta take my daughter to the 'cool' swingset she saw in the car driving here in Tasmania.

I appreciate your response Sydney and always have. The manner and the respect you show me (an outsider really) in this forum is outstanding and I can only hope that other TBM's (I hate that saying but hey if the shoe fits) can see the dialogue we have and take notes. Building bridges doesn't mean having to believe each other...but living in harmony in my opinion.

June 9, 2008 at 9:22 PM

I lost all my belief in a Christian god, or any other type of god, when I lost my faith in the LDS church. But if I still believed in a God, it wouldn't be the Mormon god. Like Sydney said, there are way too many problems with the LDS church, and their history and doctrine, for me to continue to believe any kind of all-knowing, all-powerful, loving God was ever running the show. If the one-and-only GOD truly is leading the LDS church, then he's done a really good job at making it look like a deceptive farce, with a history full of racism, sexism, adultry, occult practices, wild prophecies, bizarre doctrine, and lies. In fact, it appears like it's run by all-too-human and fallable men, making (and constanly changing) policies disguised as revelation/doctrine, and using fear tactics to keep the sheeple in line, just like other any other religion. Hmmmm, I wonder why that is...

You're doing a great job, Sydney (my daughter's name, by the way, except with an "i"). Keep it up!

Congratulations, demand more! It sounds like your bishop is actually much more in tune than most. My resignation letter is my next step on my way out!

June 9, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Demand More,

You are so kind in your comments, you must be a really sweet person. I had no idea that my blog would be that much help to anyone when I started it, so it makes me feel good to know that expressing my problems and pain is helping someone out there. Thanks again. :)

Nicko,

I do realize that the sarcasm in this post is different from the way I have expressed myself in the past. I just get frustrated once in a while, because in my eyes (and the eyes of many others) I can't understand why people are so willing to accept the story. There is no tangible proof, it's almost as if some Mormons choose what they want to hear because it would shake their understanding of what happens after death.

Religion to me is just a way of making people comfortable. They believe they have the answers and therefore they don't have to worry too much about what happens when we die. That is what it all comes down to, right? What happens when we die?

No one knows, yet people are eager to believe Joseph Smith, who even lied to his own wife about polygamy. He was brought to court on fraud charges, some say he was even convicted. He is suspect, yet Mormons look the other way.

The experiences you talk about that tell you the church is true happen to other people in other religions. How do you know that the LDS Church is the one who has it right? Isn't this something you should consider? That you might be wrong? That your feelings are in response to a happy or serene moment instead of proof the Mormon Church is true?

Thank you for acknowledging that I try to respect everyone here. Bridge building is important, but sometimes frustration gets the better of us.

Kristen,

I came close to losing my belief in a Christian God, but instead I just have the realization that I don't know. I don't know what happens when we die, and I am okay with that. I am at peace with it. The only thing I can do is live my life treating people the way I want to be treated.

Thank you for the compliments and comments. As I mentioned to Demand More, it's nice to know that sharing these things is somewhat helpful to someone out there.

The comments you guys leave me certainly help me a great deal... thats for sure.

June 9, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Hey Kristen,

I am here to tell all of you beautiful people that there is a God.

For in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. genesis 1-2

God is the one who made the world and everything in it. genesis 1 acts 17:24

For God is good. matthew 19:17

Here are some visible signs of God's greatness

He appeared in a cloud exodus 16:10

Seen by Moses exodus 33:18-23

And also I am here to tell all of you that there is life after death.

For I tell you the truth,whoever hears what I say and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life.That person will not be judged guilty but has already left death and entered life. john 5:24-25 THESE ARE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST OWN WORDS.

And we can all trust this because this is the holy eternal word of God.

Because let God be true and every man a liar. romans 3-4

For I am the way,the truth,and the life,and the only way to the father is through me. john 14:6

For that faith and that knowledge come from the hope for life forever,which God promised to us before time began.And God cannot lie. titus 1:2

This is what God has told us:God has given us eternal life,and this life is in his son.whoever has the son has life,but whoever does not have the son of God does not have life. 1 john 5:11-12

So yes as you all can see there is eternal life.

SO REJOICE AND BE GLAD

BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL BEEN REDEEMED

BY THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

June 10, 2008 at 12:37 AM

donangelo,

thanks for your condemning tone...'blessed are the persecuted'...


Syd,

Experiences I've had in this church as opposed to other faiths which I experienced out of the church (pre-baptism) call me to realise that this church is true (call me arrogant...It doesn't matter to me). In essence, I believe what you say when you say other people have similar experiences, but not really.

Not too many Christian faiths (if any) can really claim to be the 'real true and living church of Christ today'. In my humble religious opinion, the Catholics are one group who can claim it (an unbroken line of authority from Christ's time), the JW's can to a certain degree (although they never really did have a 'renewal' of all things), perhaps the Seventh Day Adventists (who did start with a 'revelation' of sorts) and then there is the Mormon's. The others who are mainly offshoots of the Protestant Faith are historically just subdivisions of a subdivision which branches from the Catholics.

So in Christian terms, I don't believe that there is really many possible 'true and living' faiths out there. The Mormon Church certainly has a very well established doctrinal base based on 'revelatory events'. So in terms of choosing a Christian religion, I think its quite limited if you look at the facts.

However, then there are the other faiths around the world. I have engagements with most of the majors. MY mother was Bahai, My Cousin is converted to Islam, My close associate is Buddhist (my hero Aung San Suu Kyi is also Buddhist) and another close associate of mine is Catholic. Admittedly I've not discussed nor investigated to a grand degree Hinduism, but the idea of a Caste system seems quite disruptive to my 'social democratic' leanings...

Phew...my point is, when my soul was 'for sale' in plain terms, I was approached by many of these. The Bahai are really interesting and profess that all prophets/scripture are from God...MY Mum left them sometime ago now. I think that if I was not a Mormon, I would possibly have stayed and learned more about them...

My cousin has often tried to convince me of the truth of Islam. We've had some interesting discussions. You wanna sexist religion? You should try that one. But I respect his beliefs and he is very very strong. Without continuing on into an essay, none of these religious discussions ever ended with 'pray to God to confirm whether or not the things we are saying are true'.

Point in case then. I was already reading the BoM when I had discussion 1 with the Elders. By the end of just 1 hour, they asked me 'will you read and ask believing you'll receive an answer if it is true?'. There was no trying to convince me of doctrinal proof or evidence from historical data as some of the others did. There was just a pure and simple question to which I answered 'I already know'.

I guess I can't answer whether people have ever felt as I have about what I believe. I was questioned quite heavily about it in my first area of my mission by a nasty born again christian who said as donangelo has, 'you're going to hell for your beliefs'. Keep in mind I had been in the church less than 2 years. It scared me half to death as no-one had ever called me out on it.

So I returned home very upset. My companion was ultimately little help, but we were going to sleep and that night I asked God in prayer if he could confirm to me if I was going to hell and if the BoM was scripture from heaven.

I prayed for a long time in the cold winter night of NZ and received no answer. So I crawled into bed and after about 10 minutes decided in my heart and mind to ring my mission president the next day and ask to be sent home, because I needed to search out God more.

IT was about then when my whole body was filled with the spirit and my soul was literally lifted in a manner that it felt like pure light exhuming my whole self. I cannot describe it, except to say it was more than just a 'warm and fuzzy feeling'. I can't share the other events of that evening because I think that they are too personal. I hope you understand, I don't want to be mocked by certain individuals in here for what was for me, the most spiritual experience I've ever had.

And I've had others too, but none quite as intense. This is why Sydney I believe in the Church and why I so strongly defend the BoM. How can I deny this? I can't.

How you reconcile it is entirely up to you. I guess you could say it was just emotional response to stress, or like one Postmormon who still believed in God suggested, that it was right for me, or worse still, you could say I'm lying. I'll leave the judgement to you. But I just wanted you to see why it is I believe...and that it is not just based on emotion..or warm fuzzies.

I think I've blabbed on a long time. But you should know that my spiritual experiences have led me to believe JS spoke to God, believe in the Book of Mormon, believe in the temple ordinances and most importantly KNOW the Atonement is real. This is why I choose to find the 'alternative' explanation before weighing up the truth of some of the 'problem's you've identified in the blog...

June 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Nicko - as a life-long member of the church, and a return missionary myself, I've also had a spiritual experience like the one you described, in the MTC. That experience is what kept me on my very difficult mission. I've had many other spiritual experiences as a wife and mother, one that even led to the birth of my last-born. But, those spiritual experiences came before I knew full history and cover-ups the church perpetuates. I've tried to pray to make them right in my head and heart, and it just never happened. I now write the spiritual experiences off as physiological - the brain and body working together can make you feel some amazing things. My "awakenking" that the church wasn't true, was as "spiritual" an experience as I've ever had in the church, and one that brought me great peace.

I find that many Mormons do this to those who have left the church - try to imply that the apostate's testimony must have not been very strong to begin with, or perhaps they never felt the spirit as strongly. It can be really insulting actually, because for many of us, our tesimonies were as important to us as anything else in our lives, and we believed they were built on a solid foundation. I'm not saying that is what you are purposely implying, but please bear in mind you have no idea what your future holds. I never, ever saw myself losing faith in the gospel. Ever. It was a question concerning one of my children, and his future, which started me on the way out. I realized the church and it's teachings wouldn't be healthy for him. I feel much better now about my kid's futures, and mine, outside of the church. But if someone had told me even two years ago that I'd lose my faith and leave the church someday, I would have rolled my eyes and born my rock-solid testimony. Things change, you just never know.

Peace!

June 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Hey nick think on this,

When I prayed to the true and living God the great God of Israel he told me very strongly that the mormon cult was not true,he even told me to get out of mormonism because he is going to destroy it and all of those who do evil.

Because the bom has no authority or no integrity.

And I have learned from prophets of old like jeremiah and daniel and samuel that when God speak you better listen.

So answer me this nicko why did joseph smith kill those two men and also have sexual relations with those two young 14 year old girls.

nick why isn't this information shared with the lds members openly.

Nick why did joseph smith lie and say that the book of mormon is the most correct book of all books including the holy bible.

court is in session.

why did joseph smith boast and say that he have done more than any other man who ever lived including Jesus Christ.

I will tell you why nicko, joseph smith was a lying dog.

who fabricated history and told lies.

because the biblical Jesus Christ rules.

And joseph smith sucks.

And I tell you all of these truths out of pure love nicko.

because you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

June 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Kristen, well said!

I think many ex-mormons had the same kind of experiance. We don't expect to find all of the contradicting information about the church and its doctrine but no one can truthfully deny that it is there. When you stumble onto it, it rocks your foundation and makes you wonder what else is out there that the leaders have never told you about. And then the search for the truth begins.

At least this is how it happened for me. Now, I can not trust anything that comes from current church leadership.

June 10, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Kristen,

So you're implying that I created this feeling within the power of my brain and body utilising what exactly? A hyper imbalance of neurotransmitters?

This is (believe it or not) something that I've entertained in my studies. I have a major is Psychology (despite being a sociologist) and to be honest, I've not come across too many 'studies' which show me that this could be my invention.

Let us consider my story briefly before I entertain what you've suggested. First of all I said quite clearly that my mind was made up that I would leave the mission field and go home, so I wasn't 'seeking' for an experience when it actually happened. How you reconcile that is up to you....I guess you could argue that the brain and body was so depressed that it responded in kind and burst forth a bunch of dopamine which gave me the 'happiness' that I sought after.

If we were to follow this then the following needs to be taken into account. First of all, we know that dopamine (the happy neurotransmitter) is boosted during sex, exercise and through certain foods (chocolate being one I believe). But none of these (all of which I engage in - chocolate eating the most!) compares to the feeling that I had that night. So, we need to ascertain how this 'massive' boost of dopamine occurred. I can honestly declare, that I have in the past utilised drugs. Not something I share lightly. But we know that Heroin and Cocaine boost the dopamine levels much higher than what we can do on our own. This is why people have 'withdrawals' so bad afterwards. Again, I can't honestly say that my 'high' that night compared...and it was entirely different...for obvious reasons.

Which leads us then to believe that somehow my body and my brain combined to radical induce a massive dopamine release leaving me feel 'overwhelmed' with happiness and joy beyond belief.

You may think its possible, I believe its physiologically and psychologically impossible. But again you may just dismiss me as fooling myself...to be honest, I don't really care.

In the end, you need to reconcile in your minds why people feel these feelings. Many many many converts to the church have had similar feelings/experiences. Either there is a psychological phenomenon beyond the current discourse of psychology going on, or they are actually feeling something supernatural.

I suppose men and women in the church need to make a decision when hearing these things (such as what Syd has put on her site) to try and find the answer to the questions, or totally turn away from what they've felt to be true and dismiss it as purely psychological/physiological. I have chosen the former path. Do I judge you Kristen for choosing the latter? Not at all. But I think that people like yourself and others need to recognise that we TBM's like me do actually believe beyond pure acceptance.

June 10, 2008 at 6:45 PM

donangelo,

do you really not read any of my posts at all??? I wonder sometimes. For the last time I've answered those questions before and you've not ever once entertained them but just glossed over my 'explanations' and my 'counter-argument'. If you can't be bothered reading my replies, why should I bother replying to you...

June 10, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Nicko,

I guess what we are getting at is that we used to be like you. We used to agree with everything you believe in, and now we realize the whole thing was a mirage. It's not what it claims to be, and because it's so obvious to us *now* we try and explain how it was that we believed in it and then decided it wasn't true.

I have had wonderful happy-feeling moments that most Mormons describe as the holy ghost. Trouble is, those moments had nothing at all to do with Mormonism... they were simply good moments where I felt I was making a difference, or seeing something really nice happen to someone who deserves a break.

We have been in your shoes. Not your exact shoes, but in your shoes. This is how we explain it.

Obviously you don't agree, and we have been in your position there as well. I used to defend the Mormon Church no matter what... sometimes you want something to be true so much that you read normal events as supernatural or spiritual.

You have mentioned many times that you have had experiences that you couldn't deny, but so have we. :) We get that.

June 10, 2008 at 6:58 PM

One more thing..

I have decided that replying to everything donangelo says is pointless.

I post everything that is submitted to the blog because I think everyone should have a voice, but don't feel like you have to defend yourself to him. He believes and preaches one thing and does another. He has been absolutely insulting and hypocritical in his statements about you and the church. I don't appreciate it, and I feel ignoring it might just be the best way to handle it.

June 10, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Yes, Nicko, I do believe those feelings to be physiological. Obviously, you and most believing church members, don't. Good for you. Funny thing is, most true-believing members of ANY faith, get those overwhelming spiritual confirmations during their own spiritual journeys. So what makes the LDS church's spiritual witnesses so special? That was a question I had to ask myself as I was pondering leaving the church, thinking back to my own spiritual encounters. The answer, for me, was nothing makes the spiritual witnesses received by LDS members any more special that those recieved by believers of other faiths. If the LDS members are the only ones asking the right question (is the LDS church the true church), but God is manifesting the same answer to everyone who questions their own particular faith, then where is the logic in that? How does that make the LDS faith appear "more true" than any of the others?

I definitely could be wrong about spiritual manifestations being physiological. But even if they were from a higher source (which I haven't ruled out altogether, I consider myself agnostic), the LDS folk aren't the only ones priviledged enough to receive them as positive (sometimes overwhelming) answers to their questions about God, faith, and if they are in the right church.

June 10, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Hey Sydney,

That hurts that really does.

because I am just a christian man who is trying to present the gospel truth according to holy bible scriptures.

Because the last thing I would ever want to be is a hypocrite.

Because that is and was what rubbed Jesus Christ the wrong way like the pharasee.

Because all I say is out of love and passion.

Because remember Syd you would never have had to create this blog if joseph smith the false prophet would have told us the truth and stop lying and duping so many people.

because remember Syd right now people that you love and I love are still trapped and decieved in the mormon cult.

because truly their souls hang in the balance.

because the holy bible tells us that today is the day of salvation 2 corinthians 6:2

because if I have been a hypocrite please forgive me.

because I would never ever want to be seen and known as a hypocrite.

Just someone who trys and tried to make a difference.

Because remember it is not what I say it is thus says the lord of hosts.

and please Syd could you tell me what hypocritical things I have said about the mormon cult.

So maybe I can address these issues clearly.

June 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Donangelo,

I sincerely apologize if you were hurt by what I had to say, but to be completely honest, some of the things you say more hurtful than that.

You have repeatedly called Nicko names like "slow" and you have also mentioned you think the people in the LDS Chruch are mindless fools. It's not cool to say stuff like that. It's important for me to make sure everyone reading this blog understands I don't agree with the things you say. It certainly doesn't strike me as Christian-like behavior.

You have the ability to quote passages from the Bible and call people names in the same paragraph. It's hypocritical, and I stand by what I said. You are so quick to judge other people's behavior, and then willing to act in the same way.

This blog is starting to grow, and I have to be perfectly clear that I don't find any Mormon's slow or evil. I find the leaders of the Mormon church to be dishonest and greedy, but not slow and evil.

Many people leave the Mormon church due to the many issues I have stated. Many are just considering leaving the church, and if they think I am agreeing with those types of comments they will simply assume I am an avid anti-Mormon, and I am not. They will be less likely to accept the things I say, and that might hinder the process of them thinking for themselves.

I know you are a good person deep down, but I can't help but take issue with the way you get your point across. I can't have people thinking that I believe mormons are evil people. It steals from my credibility (if I have any).

June 10, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Hey Sydney,

It is like this.

I once too was lost and was in the darkness.

but I thank God for grace,I thank God for Jesus Christ and his precious shed blood that has washed our sins away.

because I am now in the light,and I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

because if you are not in the light according to holy bible scriptures then you are in the darkness.

because Sydney like I said before I love everyone even mormons.

because the point I am trying to make to everyone is that, we all need the biblical Jesus Christ as our lord and savior.

And I thank God that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior.

Because we have all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. romans 3:23

because none of us have ever lived the perfect life where we can say we have kept the ten commandments of God and we never will.

That is why we are under and are saved by grace not works,so that no man shall boast.

so tell me nick have you ever worshiped a false God?

I know I have,because that is what I was doing when I was a mormon.

and nick that is what you are doing right now,because you are still a mormon.

1. thou shall not have no other Gods before me.

Tell me nick have you ever lusted in your heart after a beautiful woman?

I know I have,because that is what I use to do when I was a mormon and sometimes I still lust at a beautiful women.

2.thou shall not commit adultery

because Jesus Christ said I tell you that if you look at a women with your eyes and lust after her,I TELL YOU THAT IN YOUR HEART YOU HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER.

Have you ever lied nick?

I am sure I have.

3. thou shall not bare false witness against his neighbor.

because the point is these are a few of the ten commandments of God that we have all broken.

because the bible say if you have broken one of the ten commandments then you have broken all of them.

because if you can honestly say yes you have broken one of these commandments then you know that in your heart nicko that you need JESUS CHRIST to forgive you of all of your sins.to save you from the wrath that is to come.

which means nick you must leave mormonism and get into a good bible based church.

because only the holy shed blood of JESUS CHRIST CAN WASH OUR SINS AWAY.

and remember we have all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God.

and remember as a born again christian I share these truths with you all out of love and respect. and I am sorry for calling you slow nicko,but I still believe that some of the lds leaders are evil according to the holy bible. and from my own personal experiences with them.

and I also still believe those false doctrines in the lds cult sometimes rub off on some of the members and can corrupt them.

June 11, 2008 at 5:27 AM

I don't think I ever suggested that I've had experiences that you guys haven't, just that I choose to continue believing that they are from God and you guys choose to believe that they are psychological.

And I can only speak from my own experience with other religions that I've been involved with and can honestly say, I never had experiences like I have in this church. And I've had others, one in particular about the atonement which is far to special to discuss in this forum.

But I think we could go on and on for ages about it, so I'll leave it there.

Thanks for the comment to Sydney. I don't really ever appreciate someone telling me I'm heading to hell, especially when there is no real doctrinal proof of it. I really don't like the Born Again Christian Movement as I've had some seriously wrong experiences with it from people that go far beyond niceness. From people declaring my evilness for not accepting Christ whilst I was in Primary School, to others explicitly telling me of the burning flames of hell which await me if I don't accept Christ in High School, to ministers trying to hit me on the head on my mission to 'get rid of the devilish spirit of Moroni, to a pastor calling me and my companion out of a congregation where we were guests on my mission to heal us of our sinful ways....the list goes on...

June 11, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Donangelo and Nicko,

I would love it if we could all get along all the time, but we know this is impossible. I don't agree with Nicko's religion, but I don't condemn him to hell for it or call him names like "slow" and "evil" because he does believe it.

Here is one question for you donangelo, as I have been thinking about this lately...

A few weeks ago you were asking me if I had a boyfriend, and hinting that we would make a lovely couple. Many people saw it. Here is the thing...

In your perception, you think Nicko is condemned and lost, yet you are willing to look at me as a possible girlfriend even though I am not even sure if God exists? Nicko believe in God with his whole heart, as do you... why am I getting no names called at me? Why am I not also condemned and evil?

It just doesn't add up to me. Why are you so hard on Nicko for his beliefs but so calm and kind to mine?

June 11, 2008 at 7:53 PM

donangelo,

you've proven nothing in that rant you just made up above to why I need to go 'born again christian'. I believe in Christ and I believe in the Atonement of Christ and I REPENT daily for my sins although I know I will never be perfect, I believe that Christs atonement will make up the difference because I believe he suffered for me.

Why is it that you can't accept that I worship Christ? And to echo Sydney, why is it that you seem to pick me out of the many posters of Sydney's blog? Do you see me declaring to Sydney 'Ohhhh Sydney you're going to hell for this blog'? No, because did Christ not say 'Judge not lest ye be judged?'

Lets put away the doctrinal disputations you have regarding my belief in God and Christ and concentrate on 'rationally' discussing the Church and what it means. As I've said to Sydney before, I merely post on this blog to provide the other side of the story...and to discuss things in a rational and 'non-emotional' manner. Something you've proven not to be able to do so far.

June 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Nicko,

I think that is why I consider you a friend here. Sure... we might disagree 99% of the time about topics here, but we certainly don't judge each other for believing what we believe.

I, too, have been burned and annoyed by born-again Christians. I speak all the time about Mormons believing they are the ones who have it right, and how they do everything and say anything to get their position out there, but donangelo does the same thing. He is convinced he is right just as much as some of the Mormons are convinced they are right. He has no right to judge them or cast them aside the way he does.

I think some people are more interested in putting the church down instead of looking at things rationally and discussing things like adults.

I am completely honest when I say that I hope the church is called out for some of the things they have done in the past, I hope I live to see the day. But I don't wish or believe that any mormons should go to hell.

June 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Hey Sydney,

I am concerned about you,because I want you to go to heaven to live for all eternity one day also syd.

I would love for you and nick to surrender your hearts and lives to the biblical Jesus Christ.

And to make the biblical JESUS CHRIST your own personal lord and savior.

because I know Sydney that you are having a hard time determining if GOD exist or not.

And that is why I have showed you again sydney love that according to the holy bible,and also from my own personal experiences and answered prayers that God do exist.

and remember sydney that nicko believes in the false god of mormonism.

because mormons do not worship the GOD of us christians.

so yes sydney you are lost,but thank God for JESUS CHRIST,THANK GOD FOR HIS SHED BLOOD,THANK GOD FOR HIS SAVING GRACE.THANK GOD FOR DYING FOR OUR SINS AT THE CROSS SO THAT WE COULD ALL BE REDEEMED.

Because sydney you and nick are both lost without the biblical Jesus Christ and his saving grace,but it do not have to be this way Syd.

because every christian is saved by grace.

BECAUSE GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONE AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,SO THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL BELIEVE IN HIM, WILL NOT BE LOST,BUT WILL HAVE EVER LASTING LIFE JOHN 3:16

BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL SINNED SYDNEY AND HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. ROMANS 3:23

because this is why I am preaching the biblical gospel of JESUS CHRIST with such passion and zeal,because I love you both and I want to see you and nick sidney both saved.

because anyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved acts 2:21

because I am preaching these things to the both of you out of love and respect.

and to show you sydney love that the biblical JESUS CHRIST love you and nicko,and that I love you both let me send out this personal invitation to you and nick both,this is a invitation to anyone who is lost really so that they can recieve the biblical Jesus Christ as their own personal lord and savior.

just repeat after me and say this simple prayer Sydney and nick to invite the biblical Jesus Christ into your hearts,to make the biblical Jesus Christ lord and savior of your life.

SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST I AM A SINNER.SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST WASH ME AND CLEANSE ME WITH YOUR SHED HOLY BLOOD.SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST I NEED YOU I HAVE ALWAYS NEEDED YOU.
SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST I ASK YOU TO FORGIVE ME OF ALL OF MY SINS,BECAUSE YOU TELL US TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND YOU SHALL FORGIVES US,SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST COME INTO MY HEART ON THIS DAY AND BE MY OWN PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.
SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST I WILL SERVE YOU FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.SAY SATAN YOU ARE NOT MY GOD.BUT THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST IS MY GOD AND I WILL WORSHIP AND SERVE THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST ONLY.FOR HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD FOREVER AND EVER.SAY LORD JESUS CHRIST SAVE ME.

IF YOU SAID THIS SINNERS PRAYER DON'T IT FEEL GOOD TO BE TRULY BORN AGAIN AND SET FREE FROM ANY BONDAGE SYDNEY AND NICK.

SO WHY DON'T YOU SHOUT HALLELUJAH PRAISE JESUS.

IT FEELS GOODS TO BE SAVED.

NOW TELL SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN AND SURRENDERED YOUR LIVES TO THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST.

AND NOW THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN ARE NOW REJOICEING.THAT MORE CHILDREN WHO WAS ONCE WAYWARD HAS COME HOME TO THE LORD.AND THEIR NAMES HAVE NOW BEEN WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.

June 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM

donangelo,

I guess what I am getting at here is that all I hear from you is bible verses and preaching.

This is a fantastic way to tell Mormons that we care about the reasons we have issues, and the reasons we left the church.

This is a way to talk about our personal experiences and express the reasons behind our decisions. Quoting bible verses isn't going to get us anywhere simply because we all don't believe in those bible verses.

I know it's kind of mean to say this, but sometimes I just tune out what you say because it's the same preaching over and over again. It sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher... "Wah Wah Waaaah Waaah Wah Wahhh Wah." I am not trying to insult you or your point of view. Your religion and beliefs work for you, but they won't work for everyone. I know for an absolute fact they would never work for me. This is the same thing with Mormons and other religions. We all believe we are right, but sometimes you take it a step too far and judge and insult.

June 11, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Hey nicko,

I have some more good news for you mormons, who think you are saved but really you are lost.

because christian means follower of the biblical JESUS CHRIST

so nick tell me what do mormon mean according to holy bible scriptures?

because the problem with mormonism and any other false religious system is that you mormons do not believe in the biblical JESUS CHRIST, you mormons worship and believe in joseph smith and you mormons are lost without the biblical Jesus Christ.

and I can prove all of this from the holy bible.

WARNING ABOUT NON CHRISTIANS

you are not the same as those who do not believe.so do not join yourselves to them.good and bad do not belong together.light and darkness cannot share together.how can christ and belial the devil have any agreement?what can a believer have together with a nonbeliever?the temple of GOD cannot have any agreement with idols,and we are the temple of the living GOD. 2 corinthians 6:14-16

and remember nicko you are a mormon so this is a warning about you and the false prophet joseph smith and any other false religious system.

and sydney love once you become a born again christian I would still love to marry you,because I think you are a beautiful person who I can settle down with,because I am a single born again christian guy who is always looking for a wife.and sydney I think you are special. and I STILL LOVE EVERYONE INCLUDING YOU nicko.

June 11, 2008 at 10:43 PM

You don't love me donangelo, you just love your supposed 'righteous' ways. Look I personally think you are off the planet now. You have never once engaged with the things I've pointed out in your arguments. You've never once rationally argued your case. Saved by Grace donangelo?? How many Christian Churches are out there which preach saved by works?? What about Calvins who preach in predestination?? Are they wrong too? Lots of Christians are going to hell according to you donangelo.

And the last time I checked, the Mormon Church still believed in the NT and the teachings of Christ within it....

Lost? You're lost...lost in your own scriptural deficiencies and irrationalities...

June 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Syd,

I agree with what you said, but flip flop it...hehe...if you know what I mean.

I think we do disagree about most things (except for the f***ing war...sorry that really really really does choke my chicken) but can accept that. Isn't that what being human is all about? I think so.

I'm glad you can call me friend here despite our stark differences. I wish that it could be like that more often even within the church. But I suppose as I've said before, humans will be humans...

June 12, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Hey nicko,

I thank you for admitting out loud to everyone,that you mormons are lost,and that you mormons have not yet been born again in the biblical JESUS CHRIST.

BECAUSE JESUS SAID NICKO I TELL YOU THE TRUTH,UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN,HE CANNOT BE IN GOD'S KINGDOM. JOHN 3:3

so you see nicko this is why you mormons and everyone else must go or be born again.

and remember this is not what I say.

but this is what THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD OF ISRAEL SAYS AND COMMANDS.

BECAUSE IN THIS PASSAGE NICKO AND SYDNEY JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR IS TALKING ABOUT A SPIRITUAL BIRTH.

I TELL YOU THE TRUTH,UNLESS ONE IS BORN FROM WATER AND THE SPIRIT,HE CANNOT ENTER GODS KINGDOM.

BECAUSE HUMAN LIFE COMES FROM HUMAN PARENTS,BUT SPIRITUAL LIFE COMES FROM THE SPIRIT.

DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN I TELL YOU,YOU MUST ALL BE BORN AGAIN. JOHN 3:5-7

SO NICK AND SYD THIS IS WHY YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN,BECAUSE THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST SAYS YOU MUST.

because nick if you truly belonged to the biblical Jesus Christ,you would obey him,and do what he said to do,and you would not be talking about and saying why do I need to be born again.

because by you own words nicko you have admitting that you have not yet been born again.

and I still love you and sydney both.

I share all of this gospel truth according to the holy bibe all out of love.

BECAUSE THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST LOVES US ALL.

June 13, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Hey sydney friend,

I just thought I would share these beautiful scriptures with you,that lets us know God exist.

because some knowledge of him has been made clear to us.

because yes sydney God has shown himself to us.

GODS anger is shown from heaven against all the evil and wrong things people do.By their own evil lives they hide the truth.God shows his anger because some knowledge of him has been made clear to them.Yes God has shown himself to them.There are things about him that people cannot see-his eternal power and all things that make him God.but since the beginning of the world those things have been easy to understand by what God has made.So people have no excuse for the bad things that they do.They knew God,but they did not give glory to God or thank him.Their thinking became useless.Their foolish minds were filled with darkness. ROMANS 8:18-22

so you see sydney God do exist,because some knowledge of him has been made clear to us.

I hope and pray syd that this answers your question about do God exist or not.

because yes syd God do exist.

BECAUSE SYD THERE IS A GOD.

A CHRISTIAN MESSAGE OF LOVE FROM YOUR FRIEND IN THE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST.

I LOVE YOU SYD AND NICKO

I KNOW THIS WILL BE A REAL BLESSING TO YOU ALL.

June 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM

donangelo,

In my opinion, (just mine), scriptures are not proof of God.

I know it means a great deal to you, and you believe 100%, but I sincerely doubt you will ever be able to convince me... and I do believe if there is a God, he would understand that.

Cheers.

June 14, 2008 at 7:58 AM

Hey Sydney love,

The holy scriptures from the holy bible is in fact historical and modern proof that God do exist.

because remember syd from my own personal experiences from life,when I pray to the true and living God he has and does answers our prayers.because he has answered my prayers once again and that is also how I KNOW THAT GOD DO EXIST.

CHRIST COMES TO THE WORLD

IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS THE WORD.THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,AND THE WORD WAS GOD.HE WAS WITH GOD IN THE BEGINNING.ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM,AND NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT HIM,IN HIM THERE WAS LIFE,AND THAT LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF ALL PEOPLE.THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS,AND THE DARKNESS HAS NOT OVERPOWERED IT.

so as you can see once again syd here is biblical proof that the one and only true living God of Israel do exist.

because he answered my prayers.

and he will answer your prayers if you cry out to JESUS and surrender your heart and lives to the biblical JESUS CHRIST.

and remeber syd let God be true and every man a liar. romans 3-4

June 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM

donangelo,

The Bible is not proof God exists.

People cry out to Jesus Christ in prayer all the time. He doesn't answer everyone's prayers, does he?

Your argument for God is the same argument Mormons make for the truthfulness of Joseph Smith!

June 14, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Hey Syd,

No it is not the same argument that mormons make,because it has been proven time and time again by the holy bible and by biblical scholars, and also by former mormons
that joseph smith was a false prophet.

but it has not and never will be proven that what we christians belive is not true,because we are in truth,and the biblical Jesus Christ is that truth.

you remember how I poked holes in mormonism in one of your earlier blogs,that is because mormonism is false.

now I challenge someone to try to poke holes in my christian faith,but as a born again christian who's faith and belief is built on the solid rock in the biblical Jesus Christ we christian know that it can not be done.

because we christians are in the truth,and every other false religious system is just a lie.

like mormonism is a lie that is ready to be thrown into the fires of hell.

June 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Donangelo,

It seems to me you are just picking and choosing what you want to put your faith in.

There is no proof God exists. I would love for Him to exist, more than you could possibly know... but there is definitely no proof.

I am not trying to poke holes in your faith... but I am confused as to how you can tell people they are "slow" and "evil" for believing one thing, yet you believe in other things like this! You can't have it both ways.

Yes, I know there *is* documentation that pretty much disproves Joseph Smith and many other prophets from being true prophets... but there isn't much about your religion that should allow you to say the things you say.

You have no right to tell other people they are going to "the fiery pits of hell" if you are a true believing Christian. There is one judge, my friend, and you are not it. You may believe you have all the answers, but you don't...

All you do it witness to me over and over again. How about sharing personal insights into the discussions here instead of telling us we are all wrong and you are right?

June 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Hey Syd,

The holy bible tells us all who is a born again christians which includes me,to stop judging by the way things look,but to judge by what is right. john 7:24

so you see sydney love it is my job as a born again christian to judge what is right, and every other false religious system like mormonism is wrong.

because I love you all syd,and I am trying to keep you all from God's wrath and justice that is to come.

because the wicked shall be turned into hell,and all the nations and people who forget about God shall be turned into hell psalm 9:17

but coward those who refuse to believe,who kill,who sin sexually,who does evil things,who worship idols,who tell lies,who does evil magic,they shall have a place in the lake of fire,this is the second death,the death of the spirit revelation 21:8

so you see syd it is not what I say.

this is what the holy word of GOD says.

that all sinners and people who do these things and don't believe are going to hell.

let God be true and every man a liar. romans3:4

June 14, 2008 at 7:24 PM

donangelo...do you honestly want me to challenge your doctrine? cause its pretty shabby...

I'd rather not get into the whole 'tearing down others beliefs' but perhaps you should really check your bible fully before you attempt to get into a doctrinal debate....

THE BIBLE IS NOT FULL PROOF....AND IS NOT COMPLETE NOR FULLY CORRECT...

That is why donangelo we Mormons find it useful to have another testament of Jesus Christ....

June 14, 2008 at 7:25 PM

I have said it before, but this time I really mean it. I give up. It's like talking to a bowl of Jello sometimes... I don't mean that in an insulting way, it's just an honest reaction.

I type and type and type, but he doesn't hear me.

Done. Really. Done.

June 14, 2008 at 7:29 PM

No Jello actually tastes good....his 'doctrine' tastes like 'wormwood'....

June 14, 2008 at 7:32 PM

He just doesn't make sense! He claims to have all the answers, and spouts scripture after scripture, but that doesn't really mean anything if he insults people in the same breath!

I just zone out reading his replies now... it's like Charlie Brown's teacher, "Wah wah wah wahhh wah wah waaa wah wahhh wahhhh...." just noise. No meaning.

Actions speak louder than words, and he doesn't practice what he preaches.

Done. :)

June 14, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Hey nicko,

You mormons belong to the devil,and is on your way to hell.

because that is why you mormons have the bom and other false doctrines,that have no authority or no integrity.

because you mormons don't believe the holy bible,you mormons don't believe the word of God that only comes from the holy bible.

that is why you mormons take and try to twist and add to the word of God,that the God of the holy bible warned you lds not to do.

and yes nick the holy bible is full proof.

For the biblical Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of every born again christians faith.

because nick joseph smith died and went to hell and if you die nick in your sins you gone lift your eyes up in hell,but it do not have to be this way nick.

because the holy bible is complete,because the biblical JESUS CHRIST SAYS I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA,I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST,I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END. REVELATIONS

hey syd love I still love you and everybody else.

and I never claimed to have all the answers,but I do know someone who have all the answers and his name is the biblical JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS IS THE ANSWER

JESUS IS THE ANSWER, FOR THE WORLD TODAY.

ABOVE HIM THERE'S NO OTHER, CAUSE JESUS IS THE WAY.

I LOVE YOU SYDNEY

June 14, 2008 at 8:00 PM

I have been thinking to myself for a very long time that you are not who you appear to be.

You are too hypocritical to be a good Christian, Donangelo.

I don't know if you are being honest, or if you are trying to cause drama on my blog through your horrible comments, but it's going to stop.

You will *not* tell anyone here they are damned, or that they are going to Hell.

You have been warned.

If I see it again, I will stop publishing your comments.

June 14, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Hey sydney love,

Just please answer me this.

Why are you so angry with me?

All I am doing is proclaiming thus says the lord,from the holy bible.

and remember syd I did not say it,it is what the word of God says.

that comes from the holy bible.
that's all syd I still love you Syd.

June 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Donangelo,

I don't appreciate the comments you have made towards my friends here. We might not all agree on religion, but we have been very civil and friendly about our conversations.

You, on the other hand, continue to spout out your religious statements and damn people to hell. I don't appreciate it.

If it doesn't stop, I will stop posting your comments. Period.

June 14, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Hey Syd,

Okay you win, all I am and was doing is sharing the truth out of love.

Because blessed are the peace makers,for they shall be called children of God.

and sydney I really do love you and every one else you have to believe me when I say I love you.

because love is the greatest gift of all 1 corinthians 13

I am just a passionate person who loves you and everyone else.that's all

and remember syd I also use to be a mormon,but I am now a born again christian.

June 14, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Donangelo,

I am not trying to "win," I am trying to make you understand that your comments are extremely hurtful and arrogant.

You are far from showing peace, truth, or love when you judge people so harshly. You need to see that. You are not going to get anyone to listen to you if you offend them right away! They will consider you a fanatic and dismiss everything you have to say.

Be kind, and think about your words before you say or type them. Look at things in the big picture.

June 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM

I just need you to know that you have to be respectful to the people here. Share your opinions, you are more than welcome to do that. Just don't get on a soap box and tell people they are going to Hell.

If I see it again, I will stop posting your comments. I have been extremely patient with this so far, and now it's time to lay down the law.

I want people to feel they can come here and share what they think. They will be much more likely to do that if they are not afraid of something you might say to them!

June 15, 2008 at 4:29 AM

Oh Donangelo wake up...adding to the bible?? come on now...Did you not know that Revelations isn't the last book written but the Epistle of John 1 and 2....so should I exclude them too??

Doesn't it also say that same thing somewhere in the OT?? I think you'll find it does...if you bother searching.

All I'm saying is donangelo, I seek for answers and then make decisions based on the experiences plus the explanations I find. you just don't accept that there are problems with the bible....